RE: SPS Governance Proposal - Adjust Listing Fees
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If the economy was strong and SPS price was stronger, maybe. The market strength is NOT THERE to justify such an increase on an already struggling market. I'll put it simply when a business/market is struggling you don't go increasing sales tax to improve margins. Any increase is not a good move. We are in this mess because we keep adding increases to paywalls and moving the goal posts. It's not a good look. How many times do we have to play this dance for people to actually get that proposals like this work against encouraging players no matter how nominal you think the increase or impact is....
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Definitely think more players and stronger market volume solve pretty much all of our problems. Doesn't look like this is going to pass anyway, but it was mainly just presented as an alternative to the 10% market fee suggestions which seemed kind of nutty to me.
Love ya work. Was not directing my comment at you but the broader community. We have to stop with these extra hoop/extra cost proposals, they are killing us one player at a time. If these kinds of proposals keep coming up it means there are people still not reading the room. :)
I get it and I try to do my best, but yea I think I dropped the ball on this one honestly. Looking into reworking the guidelines to prevent a situation like this again. Current guidelines are way to lax and they lead to me wasting a lot of time fielding gripes that probably shouldn't even be directed at the DAO and then spending a lot of time cleaning up the messes the proposals tend to make. It's just not worth the headache for me or the community.
Talking to the team about getting polling integrated into the in-game governance system in a non-intrusive way so that people can opt in to get alerts about them. Hopefully we can make that happen.
You do great things mate.
Clearly The issue here is Auto renting bots cancelling rentals
and re-listing when the market changes causing alot of strain and frustration to renters on the network. The same goes for those renting.
The solutions we seem to find is raise the $ or bar rather than addressing the problem.
If we want want to stop them doing that, make longer cooldowns on rental cancelations and introduce some form of re-listing/listing/cancelation cooldowns. Auto bots rental providers wont want to set up an auto renter so it cancels a rental to get a better market price if the rental is being rented for 10 days and they have to wait say 5 days to get the card back.
And selling rental spam will reduce if they have to wait 2 days to cancel undercut and re-list. Suddenly those people trying to rent out 50 of the same card or sell 200 cards might decide a more efficient approach is to stagger knowing they have a cooldown to consider.
Even better if they cancel a rented card, it goes into limbo and no rewards can be earnt from the renter or rental provider if they are the one who cancelled.
Likewise auto renters wont cancel their rentals for the same reason if it's a longer cooldown and they stand to lose out while waiting for the card to return.
You could even introduce a clause that the canceller forfeits their any remaining paid DEC in escrow on a cancelled rental and if they are happy to still do that, the DEC goes to Splinterlands.
E.G 1)Auto bot cancels a 5 DEC a day rental to get 10.
In the above scenario:
No DEC price increases to listings. Players win
Splinterlands gets paid for those wanting to continue such practices as a downpayment for excessive spam.
Network Spam decrease at least on the rental front.
Genuien renters/sellers etc unaffected by anyone continuing such practice by not having to pay more fees as Sellers are already losing 6% on a sale.
We want to discourage this practice and still reward genuine renters/providers/sellers, I think the solution lay in extending the cooldown rather than punish them along with the those causing the spam...The idea is to discourage the practice while not affecting those who plan to rent out or provide a rental.
That's where I see a solution. Not sure how it would go among the masses so I wont be pushing for it. I'll leave that for others to marinate on who have better influence and writing ability if they think there is a viable angle here.
At this point I think the issue is just kind of dead, but yea there's plenty of things the team could do to make the system more sustainable. I guess for now we just leave it alone and them handle it themselves. Ultimately, I think this is one of those times where the community wanted to get involved somewhere it probably shouldn't have I suppose.