Addressing Resource Extraction and Curation Challenges in Splinterlands Contests

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Today, I read a compelling blog post by @captaindingus titled: "A sad realization about Splinterlands Hive Resource Extraction :(". In this post, captaindingus highlights a significant issue within the Splinterlands ecosystem—resource extraction—and raises concerns about the weekly contests hosted by Splinterlands, particularly the Splinterlands Art Contest. Additionally, these contests have brought unintended consequences to Hive's curation ecosystem, as discussed in a post by @Acidyo titled "The Cost of Negligence".

While these challenges are undeniable, they also present an opportunity for constructive discussion and improvement. Below, I’ll summarize the issues and suggest practical solutions that can help enhance the sustainability and fairness of these contests for both the Splinterlands and Hive communities.

Issue 1: Resource Extraction in Contests

The first issue raised is resource extraction. Weekly Splinterlands contests, such as the Art Contest, reward winners with Hive upvotes and Rebellion packs. However, it appears that some frequent winners are using the system solely to extract rewards without contributing back to the ecosystem. These individuals:

  1. Never power up their Hive earnings.
  2. Send their earnings to exchanges like Binance.
  3. Don’t own Spellbooks, yet continue to win valuable prizes such as Rebellion packs.

This behavior undermines the spirit of fostering community growth and long-term engagement within the Hive ecosystem.

Issue 2: Inefficient / Unfair Curation Rewards

The second problem involves curation inefficiencies. Due to Hive’s curation mechanics, Splinterlands’ contests create an opening for users to “front-run” the Splinterlands curation team. When posts are upvoted by others before Splinterlands curators, it reduces the overall curation efficiency for Splinterlands. This issue is exacerbated when a Hive whale votes before Splinterlands, leading to potential downvotes from another whale and causing collateral damage to authors caught in the crossfire.

Currently, Splinterlands’ curation efficiency averages around 71%, with occasional dips as low as 17%. This inefficiency results in substantial missed rewards. For example, in the past 30 days, Splinterlands earned 5,700 Hive from curation, but optimized voting could have doubled these rewards, equating to over $2,500 at current Hive prices.

Here is a screenshot of the least efficient Splinterlands curation rewards in the last seven days:

You can Dig into Details HERE

Proposed Solutions

While these issues are complex, there are actionable steps that can be taken to address them. Below are my suggestions for improving both the resource extraction problem and the curation inefficiencies:

Addressing Resource Extraction

  1. Introduce Staking Requirements:
    Contest participants should be required to power up at least 50% of their Hive earnings from contests. This ensures that rewards contribute to strengthening the Hive ecosystem.
  2. Penalty for Full Power Downs:
    Accounts that consistently power down all their Hive earnings could have their upvote rewards reduced—e.g., from the usual range of 10% - 50% to 5% or lower. Splinterlands curators could leave comments explaining the reason for the reward reduction, encouraging participants to adjust their behavior.
  3. Participation Eligibility:
    Contest rules could require participants to own a Spellbook or meet other minimal engagement criteria. This ensures that rewards are directed to active members of the Splinterlands community.
  4. Educational Outreach:
    Educate community members on how Hive’s curation system works and encourage staking HIVE.

Splinterlands curation team always leaves comments on the posts they curate, this is an opportunity to educate authors by encouraging them to stake more HIVE to increase their rewards from contests as well as encourage them to participate more in the ecosystem and earn curation rewards.

Optimizing Curation Rewards

  1. Modify Contest Submission Rules:
    Require posts to be submitted to contests no later than one hour after publication on Hive. This gives Splinterlands curators a fair chance to vote before the 24-hour window closes.

  2. Set Voting Deadlines for Curators:
    Splinterlands curators should vote on contest entries within 23 hours of submission. While this increases the workload for curators, it could be mitigated by:
    a. Recruiting additional curators from the community.
    b. Implementing tools or automation to streamline the voting process.

  3. Incentivize Timely Curation:
    Establish performance metrics for curators to encourage consistent and efficient voting. This could involve tracking curation efficiency and recognizing top-performing curators within the community.

I also decided to see what other curators do efficiency wise. Not that I would say these are perfect but take a look at Curangel

On the last 712 posts curated by them they are over 100% efficiency with the worst efficiency of almost 58%

Curatorhulk: https://hivestats.io/@curatorhulk
Also over 100% looks like some misses but overall is nowhere close to 71% efficiency

Why These Changes Matter

Splinterlands’ weekly contests are a fantastic initiative that brings creativity and engagement to the community. However, without proper safeguards, they risk enabling behaviors that drain resources and reduce the value generated for everyone involved. By implementing the above suggestions, Splinterlands can:

  1. Ensure rewards benefit contributors who are genuinely invested in the ecosystem.
  2. Optimize curation rewards, bringing more value to the Splinterlands team and community.
  3. Foster a culture of long-term engagement and collaboration.

And while the current state of driving away a HIVE whale voting on Splinterlands challenge might be acceptable as the downvotes seem to have stopped, it is far from an optimal solution. One it doesn't solve the problem of Splinterlands account receiving lowered rewards it also potentially drives away any HIVE whales that might want to support Splinterlands related posts not only for the reason of downvotes but also because they will see that the distribution of curation rewards is not fair and is being exploited.

Addressing these challenges requires cooperation between Splinterlands, curators, and participants. While some of the proposed changes may introduce additional rules and responsibilities, the long-term benefits far outweigh the short-term inconveniences. Let’s use these issues as an opportunity to strengthen our community and ensure that both Splinterlands and Hive thrive together.

We are on HIVE social network and as @azircon put it recently we should talk and engage:

If you wonder what is the best way to get involved in Splinterlands and Hive eco system you can use my link to begin your Splinterlands and HIVE journey.



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Great perspective mate. Our curators need to work smarter, not harder. I can;t imagine it is an easy job streaming through the mounts of content commented every week. I've been writing about a battle every day lately and happy to grow my stash of HBD every day, but I don't link to those challenges unless I have something really juicy.

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Yes, I am sure it is not an easy job, they might need to get more curators. I am sure there will be people in Splinterlands community who will volunteer and can help out.

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not sure who-what-where one goes about it but I'm literally an editor.

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Sounds like you would be perfectly suited for the role of Splinterlands curator. I am not in the inside circle of Splinterlands so I don't know, but Azircon who commented below might know as he is a Splinterlands Whale.

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The two of us are in the same guild... we are quite familiar with one another. Good idea!

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You forget that although the Splinterlands game itself is powered by the HIVE network, there is still 50% of content that is barely read or seen in the general community. Some people convert these earnings directly into Splinterlands assets, or other games in the ecosystem, or invest in other cryptocurrencies by sending them to Binance. I know more than 10 Splinterlands players who don't get involved with the Hive ecosystem. They just create posts to get their votes and stay in the game. Since the income from card rentals and other assets seems to be at a low point.

Just stop measuring your situation with your ruler and trying to implement others.

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Who is the ruler?

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I didn't understand if that was a question or irony, sorry.

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Just stop measuring your situation with your ruler and trying to implement others.

Here ruler is measuring stick or a person?

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LOL. Measuring stick.
It's when other people try to impose situations in your life on others. As is the case with maintaining a high HIVE POWER or not, everyone has a purpose here. @azircon

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I don’t think anywhere in the post or in any discussion it was mentioned to maintain “high” hive power. It was mentioned to keep “some” hive power. If you got $100, perhaps you have get 30 out, maybe 40 out, or 50 out. I can list 100s of people who has taken out 90% plus of their earnings.

Do you like to see that list? It’s very long.

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You know, I was one of those Splinterlands players who wasn't really involved with HIVE ecosystem. I just created the posts took 50% of the HIVE rewards and converted it into SPS. That was all until not that long ago 3-4 months that I came acrossa post from azircon that was really eye opening!

Splinterlands asking for DHF fund money combined with the data from azircon made me realize that I should be more involved in HIVE as a Splinterlands player. Maybe the guys that just make posts would become more like me which would actually be good for them as I realized (once I got involved in HIVE) that you can earn from HIVE curation alone more than you can in Splinterlands these days!

Another thing to consider is that HIVE is our layer one blockchain and all other coins are basically layer two and derive their value from HIVE (even our beloved SPS).

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I understand what you mean, I just mentioned that each one has a focus in the community. Not everyone wants high Hive Power values. Until a certain point, when HIVE becomes very “distributable” outside the network.
Great post dude.

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This is a fantastic piece Seattlea and I came to the same conclusions you did yesterday and we seem to think alike!!

I will share that at a later date, today I must write my Land Update :P

Great work, I love it!!

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Thank you! And looking forward to reading your post on this subject matter in the near future :) @topcomment

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You've made a good post. However, just like I commented on captaindingus' post, I disagree on many of the points.

Issue 1: some people never power up their Hive earnings, send their earnings to exchanges, and don’t own Spellbooks. To me, none of these are problems, except the last one, in regards to getting Splinterlands assets.

Here's how Hive works: person A makes a post, person B upvotes that post, payout day comes and (assuming no other upvotes or downvotes) person A gets half of that upvote value, person B gets the other half. That means the curation account is getting their share no matter what the poster does with their earnings. Since the curation account is Splinterlands, the best possible outcome is that the poster uses those earnings to buy Splinterlands assets. However, it's their earnings, they are free to do as they please with them. Assuming there's no abuse of any kind, they made a post about Splinterlands, followed the rules and they deserve an upvote for whatever size the curation team believes it should get. The post quality is what should determine the upvote, not what people do with their earnings or what's the size of their wallets and how much disposable income they have.

The only part that I agree is that accounts without a Spellbook shouldn't get Splinterlands assets. In fact, I only found out very recently that the art contest pays out packs, which the other contests don't.

Issue 2: This one I agree that it is an issue, simply because the Splinterlands account is getting less rewards. The downvote from the Hive whale is a big insult to the poster. I've gotten a DV that was higher than the upvote I got so it ended up costing me more. All because of a personal issue I have nothing to do with. It's also because the Hive system is flawed but that's another issue I don't want to get into. As for having a bigger curation team: I've tried contacting people about getting on the team and never got a response.

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Thank you. I think we have slightly different opinion on the first issue. HIVE is a proof of stake blockchain and with time your stake should grow at least in baby steps. I am not saying that the size of your wallet should determine the size of your rewards, but Splinterlands should encourage at least some accumulation of HIVE rewards.

Otherwise we see here the same extractive behavior as we saw in Splinterlands with bots. The only difference here is that you have human bots which could scale up if HIVE goes higher. Imagine if we only have people who just come in mass and extract everything that would put a constant selling pressure on HIVE. I am not saying you have to stake all the rewards, but right now many participants stake nothing and sell everything they receive. This way they will never be able to contribute back to the blockchain in terms of votes if their HIVE stake is 0 even after years of juicy rewards.

On the second issue I was a recipient of the downvote on several occasions and yes it sucked! But I can understand why he was downvoting Zaku, because Zaku has such a huge upvote he was getting a lot of extra HIVE at the expense of Splinterlands. I don't think it was all personal. I must say I miss Zaku upvotes and wish Splinterlands would fix this issue with late curation and we can have Zaku upvotes back and Splinterlands gets their fair share of curation rewards. @topcomment

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I can't have the same opinion. There are already incentives to having high HP. The higher it is, the bigger your upvotes, which means bigger rewards for your curation. Nice upvotes also come with a notification which helps attract attention to yourself. If your post is good it deserves to get rewards because that's already a contribution to the ecosystem.

I don't think it's comparable to the extraction of bots. Bots don't experience joy and don't have time constraints so they can play as much as possible. As long as there's a tiny fraction of profits, they will keep at it.

It was certainly personal towards Zaku and it's terrible. There's no justification for it. To hurt Zaku they decided to hurt the poster and every other upvoter, including Splinterlands. And why do they even care, it's the same payout. Zaku takes more, Splinterlands takes less. The DV just means everyone in that post takes less.

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Hey mate, what an excellent post! I started blogging end of last year thanks to my guild mate @nozem01 and all the rewards I am getting are flowing directly into Splinterlands. I have been able to buy some amazing cards such as a Risqruel Drath or Bera Dallin.

Below you have some proofs! Again, thanks for the post.

And in addition, I totally agree that it is very disrespectful to get DOWNVOTES for a post that it took you time and dedication to prepare it. If there are Whale wars, Whales should fight between themselves and leave us in peace please.

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Yes I agree, and maybe it's not meant as bad behavior by some extractors, when I started playing splinterlands, I started blogging pretty soon and was powering down 100%, investing EVERYTHING in to my splinterlands account. About a year ago when I listened to a TPG podcast where Azircon explained how Hive worked, I wanted to do better, not only be a good Splinterlands community member but also be a good Hive community member, so I stopped powering down my HP stake and only investing my earned HBD in to my splinterlands account.

Modify Contest Submission Rules:
Require posts to be submitted to contests no later than one hour after publication on Hive. This gives Splinterlands curators a fair chance to vote before the 24-hour window closes.

This isn't reasonable at all though, a good post takes me about an hour to make, and most of us are working people, when a challenge launches on Wednesday, the first day I can make this post is on Thursday, but for people working all the week they won't be able to make it until the weekend.

Set Voting Deadlines for Curators:

From what I understand, curating is already a lot of work and is spread out to let the voting mana recharge, so this isn't a viable option in my opinion.

This being said, I do agree something has to change if the extraction is so big, for example a minimum SPS staked amount of 10k to be able to participate (after all it's a splinterlands contest for dedicated players right!?)
And of course participants need to own a spellbook.

A new 'problem' emerged I think with the inleo / splinterlands collaboration, paying out all post rewards in SPS instead of Hive Power / HBD, It's still new so I'm not entirely sure how this plays out, my post will pay out tomorrow but if this is true, Splinterlands players are incentivized to extract 100% to their account, which isn't good for Hive.

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I think that I didn't make it very clear what I meant. I didn't mean to suggest one hour after Splinterlands publishes contest. I meant that you should submit a comment into Splinterlands contest post within one hour of publishing your post on Hive.


Modify Contest Submission Rules:
Require posts to be submitted to contests no later than one hour after publication on Hive. This gives Splinterlands curators a fair chance to vote before the 24-hour window closes.

This isn't reasonable at all though, a good post takes me about an hour to make, and most of us are working people, when a challenge launches on Wednesday, the first day I can make this post is on Thursday, but for people working all the week they won't be able to make it until the weekend.

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Ah! Yes that's not a bad idea! 😀👍

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