RE: Splinterlands DHF Proposal
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Yes, I know, that means 99%+ of active Hive users haven't seen it yet.
Thats what you called out, thats what I answered. the point of the film wasnt to make a film for Hivers. That was made clear many times. That would be a waste. The point was to have the film picked up by someone in the industry that will push it towards the international market. That has happened.
This not coinciding with whatever timeline you set for the film is not something I can do anything about.
and I am also 100% sure, they got paid (not coincidence even valuplan last post call them P.M.). They failed to do (at least successfully) their job.
im listed up there. I havent been paid a dime. Not for the car or for Vibes. You can track all payments yourself.
For example, just paying couple of grand for a streamer with 0.5-1M+ active followers
Youtubers, with 1 mil followers charge 20-30k USD for a 15 second promotion. For crypto youtubers double that. I dont know about streamers but I assume its in that ballpark.
How do I know that? Because I talked to these people.
Anyway, I don't care much, sold my few k Hive when I've got the full picture, now just should get out with min. loss from the lovely games here... :)
Youre the type of guy that will spread negativity, falsely, on one chain and then move to another so happy you left, until you realize things elsewhere are a 100 times worse. ofc, cognitive dissonance will kick in at that point.
There is nothing better than Hive. Hive is whatever the community make it into.. You wont get that freedom anywhere else. NOT EVEN CLOSE.
But then again... most people are followers, peasants in need of an overlord to do good by them. someone for them to cheer. a benevolent dictator. A daddy. Someone to baby them.
I think its sad that for all the promise crypto is making no one wants the freedom decentralization gives and do something with it. theyre rather complain and do nothing.
Obviusly, I haven't called out that, even added, it's not important, Hivers seen or not. I called out: not a single potential new user seen it yet. (No need to ride on words, turn them in and out, when you exactly know what I meant, I don't suppose about you any mental sickness, because you have different opinion, point of view.)
:) I actually was involved in organizing streams like that. So I know the pricing, it's way less. At least few years ago twitch streamers did 10 hours within 2 weeks for 3-6k based on followers, average live watchers, all was over half M followers (Since then, I heard, they do it even cheaper, as twitch cut rewards.)
Perfect example why Hive need a serious person, not silly kids playing with everybody's money, and can't even make a financial report, what for they waste it. Sorry, but you don't even understand how, with what benefits, discounts it could be best advertised in the most cost effective way. You just don't even see the benefit of Hive regarding this one either.
:) I checked those, I saw, plenty of these paid in front, strangly, found only very few ones, who return the left-overs...
But you know, it's untrackable for average user, and as I am sure, nobody takes really care of it. Anyway, not even that's the point.
Sounds like someone has taken it upon themselves to call attention to general problems with DHF and the few, who really decide what for it will be spent. I wonder why?
Hive itself didn't do anything since years, the spike was done by SPL, and general hype. Wasting DHF money what should be spent on ads, marketing, onboarding and financing new projects (not with this system, giving to them the vote, money basically in front, and do nothing, if they deliver nothing), not spent on operational costs of the countless front-ends, what from 2 would be more than enough... etc., etc.
What freedom? The DHF financed opinion based censorship machine? or the DHF 20% of total active HP proposal approval rate, what against you can't even vote? very few accounts can control it.
And the above just shows, the real DHF money handlers, in practice, dont want any kind of FREEDOM here, they want to be the LORDS, and wait for the plebs to follow, whatever they think, do. No matter how long, how bad it is working or not...
And me, a non-follower, just called out mentally sick, because my opinion oppose, and you are probably personally feel offended (good feedback, at least I know, sure it included some truth), can't take it as progressive criticism.
Hive need serious people who are in charge over the DHF voted money for ads, marketing, onboarding etc. goes for.
Just as a last point: since years, nobodoy from this valuplan team could make a single successful story, onboarding thousands of people, who are more or less permanently stay.
(not mention the 5-6 front-end operational financing nonsense, especially leo)
DAU, MAU numbers are the obvious feedback, how badly you guys spend that money. But sure, no worries, I know, I have the mental problems! 🤣
Give me some names. If its not expensive it might work.
Nobody decides anything here. Everybody does their own thing. Whales generally dont even talk to each other. There is no "the few" anything.
Come on. Censorship machine on Hive. Its literally the fundamental feature of Hive. Censorship resistance. This isnt just wrong. Its stupid to claim such an absolutely absurd thing.
Who are these lords? I know literally everyone here of any repute and what all of them basically do. Where are these lords? I havent seen any.
Its actually the lack of control whales are willing to take that is an actual problem.
I onboarded more than a thousand people through Vibes in a couple months. All visible onchain. Vibes is VP funded and therefor those users are by default here due to their funding.
About streaming sponsorships, ads, I asked for quotes, share it in a post later, and i will tag you and the so called project managers. (Took 1 hour to ask from 20+ streamers... :) )
I think, the fact, it's like this is the stupid, not calling it out.
Lots of people left because of that. I've seen it, how everybody regarding many topics, especially about hyped ones, just few: covid-communism, politics, war etc. So not even the 'bar fight' category things.
And yes, they don't ban, just downvote, what leads to the same result. Less users, because of DHF founded employees have different opinion.
Sure.
Nobody is entitled to any rewards here. Theyre happy to post to twitter for free, yet a downvote on post that would earn them nothing elsewhere is a problem?
No. Theyre the problem. There is a psychological aspect to it but the fact of selfmoderation is that in fact people will be the ones moderating. If someone wants a centralized authority to do it for them, then they should go back to web2
Bloody hell with the general greedy mindset here generally... I didn't even mention earning, what I meant the person reputation goes down, so posts, comment won't be visible anymore.
hivewatchers is a centralized authourity, pretty much same like facebook has the moderators, they paid for it. Only difference - what about I am not sure - they decide what opinion they don't want here regarding hyped topics, not their employer.
so in practice, it's the same like web2
No. Hivewatchers dont downvote based on political affiliation or anything like that. Its just spammers and scammers. They make mistakes but in 100% of cases its related to scamming and spamming.
In reality its nothing like web2.
Streaming sponsorships
I asked around. It's a way different nowadays, how it was in 2018-19. I have to admit, prices are 2-3x+ , but still the most (cost) effective.
No1 change: got just few answers, but except 1, all came from agencies, managers, not streamers directly. It wasn't like this before. so no direct offers, you know how these operate, need to fix lots of things to be able give offers.
Hourly rate (actively spend the stream with advertising product) is starting from the $2-3k range for an over 1k average live watchers streamer case.
I explained for 1 how this could work regarding payment (the DHF) thing. Why need some from/to range as a basic. They gave me a link, they created a tool based on their streamer clients previous contracts, so you just type here the twitch streamer name, and it gives a range. They wrote, it's more accurate in less popular streamers case, with 1-3k average live watchers. (i think, for profit maximizing purposes they over-shoot the real cost, amount a bit)
https://novo.tv/twitch-sponsorship-rate-calculator
I am sure, these costs could be lowered, if a native english speaker, and relevant person, could explain them the long term earning potential for streamers with Hive, and the benefits of their audiance, but at least stuck at the minimum of the mentioned range.
They also mentioned kick.com is taking away some of the cheaper streamers, but on that platform, it could be done too.
Another one have lots of esports clients, they have pretty wild variety of sponsorships. banners, wearing logos, sponsor them on specific events, even sponsor the specific event itself etc.
i guess, you know twitchtracker, i wasnt aware how big pump the covid-show did, but its slowly declining, so it could be done very cost effectively, just have to find the right ones.
Out of curiousity, I just asked few agencies with lots of streamer clients (all kind of categories), who are organizing campaigns like this, would they even do such things, and what they can offer for crypto projects, how many streamers are familiar, did crypto ads before. i guess they will be back in the next week.
so, i don't see why it couldn't work in some form, and it's not that expensive, how you wrote, even if it's already not that cheap how i thought. definitely could be more effective instead of actual leofinance, valueplan ads, onboarding.
I just got another quote, where they describe exactly CCV numbers and prices - as they wrote, you can negotiate further with them, sure if someone explain them the long term potential, earning, benefits for the streamers and their followers, it can be further reduced. now it's not so far from that what i thought. how i thought, that calculator what another sent is overpriced.
These guys have half+ million followers, during (or after) a stream usually they got more than 200-500k unique watchers on their videos, next to high ccv.
i think, this is the most efficient way to advertise Hive. cheapest for target audiance.
I can send you through on discord, or in email what i got (the streamers name and management agencies), and you can make it happen if you think so.
You do see now what amounts we are talking about? You went from your** 2-6k** for 10 hours of promotion to the cheapest you listed being for 7k CCV at around 70k USD for 10 hours of promotion.
You yourself now saw what i told you initially that this is expensive as fuck and even the target audience isnt set well.
You can blow a million dollars like this on a few streamers in just 1 day.
2-6k for 10 hours, sure. 70k no way in hell is this a smart way to spend money. You would seriously support a proposal saying that it will spend 70k USD on Emily to stream about Hive for 10 hours.
Be serious now? Would you support that?
it cost like that in 2019. and not top streamers, you made deal directly with them. These are top50-100 streamers.
pretty sure, these prices can be pushed down by 20-50%, especially if you explain how they can further earn on Hive, make longer term deal about their activity (weekly 1-2 blog on Hive), even if streaming just 1 time offer. And in that way, Hive benefits a lot from this.
No, for 1 streamer I wouldn't spend that much, but for 3 times 1 hour spending 50-100k for 5 top streamer, yes no doubt, i would.
Wasting 100 and 100k for rally car and all the nonsense you spend money, what provenly don't bring users, especially not in mass, or spending that for this, sure, I would spend for a streamer like this. If I compare it to 1 rally car, I would even spend all that money on 1 streamer, because I know, it's working, and it brings users!!!
i could even mention leofinance, with their insane promises without result (and report). How much does that cost? $150-200k? zero result!
and you really think, is this the expensive??? 🤣 think again...
You cant take the projects you think are a waste to justify what would obviously be a waste. You justify it by the merits of what youre proposing.
You went from a few thousand USD to 70k USd. THat is what you sent. You yourself saw that its not so easy and simple to promote Hive. Nor is it cheap.
A Hive car is a car thats a longterm investment. Whatever you think about the rally car aside. A streamer promoting it is just a few hours of promotion for huge money.,
As i just wrote, you can negotiate with them, make a proper deal.
well, your insane high 20-30k USD for a 15 second promotion is the out of reality, and just shows, you never even went after this (what i told, Hive need a serious marketing project manager). if we compare it to that, i was much nearer to actual numbers.
obviously, you don't know how a similar marketing campaign building up on twitch. you don't start with big ones, but with small ones, making giveaways, promotions for their audiance, when the word has spread, it went viral, you do with bigger ones, so it's not limited only for a certain streamer audiance, but pretty much way over 50%+ of active twitch users, lets say in a month. even with the given prices, it can be done for the cost, what the rally car has taken in this year. going viral on twitch, or lets race in monaco! up to what you really want to achieve from that money. growing Hive, or enjoy your hobby... :)
and i never said I would spend 70k, you try to push it in my mouth, i told what it cost, when i was involved in a similar one years ago. dont need to be 10hours, obviously.
:) a car, in any form, never can be an investment. definitely not as a sponsorship for a web3 project. nor the bike racing - even if that's 'just' $20k in this year so far, not $200k like your hobby... :)
why don't you post a poll about it, with real numbers, the hourly rates what they gave, what would people think, what is worthy, spend $200k+ in a year for a rally car, or spend for few top streamers and lots of smaller ones within a campaign on Twitch, in form to get them longer term onboard with their audiance?
you know the answer, i know the answer, everybody knows the answer.
you could also add the leofinance money wasting, the wrestling nonsense, some of these 5k+/conference attendances, vibes etc. and you end up way over $500k spend for nothing in a year, what didnt bring a single user... so the money is there, just spent totally wrong.
actually, i think, you don't really want to grow Hive, because current controllers, whales have a fear they lose control if Hive grows, so no more privilige accessing to the money tap. nothing else makes any sense.
Thats the first thing i went after. Literally the first. A youtuber. I have their name, their manager name. Emails. Then I looked at crypto ones. Double the price.
So I know exactly how much it costs.
You gave a number 2-6k for 10 hours from a 1 million follower account, or whatever it was. I said... alrite. I want to see who it is he thinks would do it for so little of that size.
YOu came back to me with the lowest option of 7k CCV and a cost of 70k.
I dont know what it is you want. This obviously isnt a realistic thing to do by your own metrics that are waaaaaay off.
now you stuck with this 10 hours long thing... i don't understand why, when it can be done in many forms, cost effectively. (and just ignore everything else)
so you think, everything goes fine, DHF money well spent, in the most effective way and this is the maximum Hive can reach, best case stagnating DAU - seeing dapps, declining -, plummeting Hive price (and yes, DHF part of the reason of that)?
obviously, nothing. i get it! fortunately, i am out of Hive! just out of curiousity, i will make a post, poll, lets see what the few others think about it.
No. Thats why I gave you a chance of telling me what it is you think would work and be a better way to spend money.
Your initial projection on which you base at least a part of your dissatisfaction with Hive promotion, and was your own solution to making it better, was so incredibly off from real figures after your own research!!
And you still persist as if it is a good idea. STILL! After you see with your own eyes from your own research that its not as simple as you think it is.
Instead of changing your tune and now finally understanding the difficulties present you persist. Now you will have a poll.
Go ahead. I love polls. Ill just link this convo here.
And btw, the reach of each influencer is directly tied to the price of promotion. There are market prices for this too.
Look. Ill give anyone the time of day. 10HP, 1million HP. Ill talk to anyone.
But this is kind of like seeing those flat earth guys doing a test, and their own test proving to them that the Earth indeed isnt flat. And they still refuse to accept it.
A reasonable person... and im not saying youre not reasonable... would take what they saw themselves come from their own research and they would adjust their own initial position now that they see that things arent as clear cut as they thought.
I hope you do as well. Good luck with the poll.