RE: SPS Governance Proposal - Expand SPS DAO Treasurer Positions
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I like and trust all 3 of them! Great decision Clay!
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I like and trust all 3 of them! Great decision Clay!
If we go down this road, now we need to ask, how many Team Members are allowed to be Treasurers? This is a new boundary being created that is not necessary. Just because "We/they trust the team" large holders/special interests could then theoretically vote into 6 positions Team Members & DAO keys be monopolized by the Entity it was meant to break away from.
The point of having a DAO is to have voting with skin in the game. If DAO decides it would accept a Steem Monsters Inc. team member, that is the way it should be. If the vote is a "No", then that is how it should be. If you want to influence that decision, stake more SPS. Those with skin in the game decides.
Easy scapegoat argument, but 99% of community will never be able to afford outvoting the top accounts, therefore the only other option is getting the attention of the minnows & dolphins, which I am attempting to do, alongside hoping lager accounts will consider the perspective. Regardless, Company/Team + DAO Positions should remain separate, it should not even be an issue to begin with, imo. You're just saying, let them monopolize it if they vote it. Team Members should never be an Elect to begin with.
You are either advocating for a tragedy of the commons or asking to get sibyl attacked. Those who don't have a stake has no skin in the game in long term sustainability of the game. Those who have the most to loose should make the decisions. I don't recall a single instance where community vote and staked SPS vote were opposite. Most of the community agrees with the general direction of staked SPS votes. Below is the voting statistics for this Proposal:
This is good. We need more participation in both HIVE and SPS governance. Not voting itself is a vote. It means they don't care. We have to get them to care.
Neither! I'm just trying to provide perspective on this slippery slope to Everyone! Regardless of current stake. Yes we should all aim for more stake, I agree. But in this very moment its not like I can just cough up 15 Million SPS xD Therefore, just encouraging those that pay attention to consider another path. And yes, hopefully we can get more to care about voting in general
The only way to make decisions is voting with the stake. Anything else leads to tragedy of the commons or vulnerability for sibyl attacks. People can make decisions with their property. If they disagree with the collective decision, the option is to leave for something that match their preferences.
I don't think we're on the same page here. All I'm saying is we as a community should choose to maintain healthy boundaries for our Ethos. If it passes then yeah, there's nothing to change at that point, but until then this is still just a pre-proposal and we all can vote to edit the 3rd Elect for this position - A community member that's not part of the Company/Team.
Yes. This is what staked SPS voting is for. That is how the community choose. Whether we ban company members from being a part of DAO itself is a DAO Proposal. You are welcome to make it yourself and we can have a vote from the stakeholders.
I agree completely with this. I do think this is a DAO decision as for the rules, and an individual decision for anyone that wants to be a treasurer/board member/etc.
True, I can very much agree to this! Once I'm in a better financial situation I'll make a DAO proposal for healthy boundaries. But also, its not like we really got a choice on the first 3 elects in the first place which is kinda mehh. A poll woulda been cool.
On your point about "outvoting the whales"those numbers are how it is right now. But everyone that votes has to consider the impact to their own interests. Just because someone has a large stake, that doesn't mean they don't care about the dolphins and minnows.
I know I always found it important that I have a large stake so that I could have influence on the outcomes of the votes, but my interests included protecting the Minnows and Dolphins. I don't think the game can succeed without them.
Ya'll are getting away from the point by getting distracted by focusing on that comment as that convo was going off topic to begin with. I'm here talking to Everyone , regardless of stake - About the fundamentals of keeping Company/Team & DAO Separate as Matt always talks about. THAT IS ALL. All I see is avoidance of the topic at hand.
I understand and obviously I think your concerns have merit or I wouldn't have resigned. Whether other people have a conflict is a different issue though.
Very true, all I can do is voice my concerns, maybe be a little passionately annoying about it, & when I have the funds to do so (in-between jobs), maybe find a way to start communicating in proposal chat about creating a Proposal to help better define boundaries Between DAO positions and Company. Even if not completely separate maybe the greater community could agree to limiting the number of Company/Team members allowed to take DAO Roles - especially with Treasury Keys (so it can't theoretically become owned by the Company again). I appreciate all you do for the Community even if I get loud on rare occasions (SilentRIOT definitely fits my Introverted/Extrovert vibes haha) ^.^ Hope you have a great day Bro. Namaste 💜