SPS Governance Proposal - Don't Change PP Values
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Purpose
The purpose of this proposal is to address a recent announcement made by @yabapmatt that the team was planning to adjust the PP (land production points) of cards to match Chaos Legion once the sets rotate out of modern. There has been occasional speculation about this for quite some time, since the Rebellion PP numbers were initially announced, but some community members feel that this adjustment is not needed, and there hasn't been clarity on the point until now. This proposal will determine if we'd like to stop the team from making that change and essentially maintain the baseline PP at 0.5x Chaos Legion card's PP value going forward.
Proposal
If this proposal passes, the community would formally request that the PP values of cards do not change when rotating out of the Modern format. All future sets should operate with a base PP (production points) multiplier of 0.5x the baseline value established with the Chaos Legion set. It will be assumed no changes need to be made in regards to PP values going forward unless another proposal is passed to change these guidelines.
I was excited about losing the penalty, I was gonna buy rebellion cards now to keep for land.
Now, I guess I will not have a reason to.
I would love an idea to keep the value up in cards being rotated out, even if we don't want them on land. Maybe we can craft a PP boost by burning so many copies of the card that would give it a permanent status upgrade.
I honestly hope this fails, but if not, I hope we are given a reason to buy rotating out cards.
Adjusting the PP is the slippery slope and for me it would undermine the trust in the game. The Rebellion cards have a lot of play value and even 50% of the PP is good for land, especially if we manage to grow the community.
We will not grow the community if we keep undermining the value of assets and making them unusable and completely obsolete after two years of use. That's not an alluring perspective for newer players coming into the game and building a collection.
I feel the same as you @discovery17 This could be something that would force me out the game. It's too big a change for me to deal with
Like I wrote before on Discord: “I can understand the PP remaining at 0.5 for CA and further, as the current and future sets have the Black foils for higher pp on land, but I cannot understand the rationale for Rebellion to remain at 0.5, something which will make it almost unusable on land after it phases out of Modern.”
Especially when it had been previously suggested by the team that all post-CL sets would have their pp unnerfed when they rotated out of Modern.
I’m voting against this proposal.
Voting for the proposal - so against the change to PP values - because of precedent of inflationary pressure.
With that said, if they decide to increase the 0.5x for cards after modern, they might as well just eliminate the 0.5x modifier while it’s in modern anyways.
Card values in modern aren’t dependent on production power - putting modern cards on land has plenty of opportunity cost. Eliminating the 0.5x modern adjustment will take out a little bit of the bad complexity without losing the good kind of complexity (aka strategy).
Land is already complicated enough, adding a “ideal time to redeploy your land assets” isn’t the fun kind of strategy.
This annoys me as it was never clear. Was it supposed to happen or not and if so how come it hasn't already? So gunna vote no.
edit: proposal confuses me. meant voting yes. 🤣
The idea was originally that they'd move up after rotating out of modern. Matt reaffirmed the stance and made it clear on the recent town hall. It was basically said "this is what we're doing unless you pass a proposal to tell us not to do it." Some people are upset about it, so we got a proposal to hopefully settle it. If someone wants to run a different proposal, that's okay too.
To make it absolutely clear:
If you want things to stay as they are then you'd vote "yes" as that is saying "don't change anything."
If you want it to change to where all cards move up to the same PP level as Chaos Legion when they leave modern, then vote "no" as that is saying to follow the plan per Matt.
i think the they should have settled at the base PP to be the same as Chaos long before the cards were launched. now they are trying to make the rebellion stay expensive, this would also drive down more the prices of chaos in my view. I also think we need clarity on the future sets before that is done. like the current and future sets will also be treated the same ?
Just to clarify a few things:
I'm running the proposal on behalf of Cryptomancer, he paid for it and approved it as written.
As to why:
For me personally:
I don't think this issue is worth fighting over. I don't feel strongly about it at all either way. I'm just running the proposal because several community members seemed to want it and it was paid for, so here it is.
Hopefully it'll put the issue to rest, if not someone else can run their own proposal or reach out and discuss it with me if they need help or something.