Land Plot Efficiency for non-whales.
A world of whales
As Mr. Plot aka Azircon is on the roll again with new terms and beautiful statistics (Post 1 here ; Post 2 here), I thought it might be a good idea to put that into perspective for smaller players like me. While I beat my "mentor" on efficiency (easy, I only have 5 plots and he has like a million), I'm lost in the low field on total earnings.
I will never achieve the same LPE and LCE as a whale - as long as I don't become one. One part is what I produce - even when producing only Stone, which has the best ROI at the moment, it's not as good as SPS and/or Aura (or so it seems, pretty sure that the tool beaker is working on will shed more light on that).
The other factor are cards. Especially the LPE is massively influenced by what cards you have working on your land, as Alpha GF Legendary give you quite the advantage in DEC production, which raises the LPE.
If you don't like math (which is the following part), here's my conclusion:
Don't fall into desperation just because your LPE is very low.
It's influenced by many things that small land owners do not have access to. Kind of reminds me of the current state of the world, land-grabbing, tendency to mega-farms... Let's hope that in Praetoria the effects of said monopolization does not lead to the same effects as it does in the real world.
The Simulation and me
Here's the comparison of my simulation with my actual plots. More detail below in the math part.
LPE : 0,79 vs. 3.501
LCE: 8169 vs. 7831
ROI per year: 8,9% vs 12.1%
Okay, this is not 100% comparable. The simulation is a best case, producing only stone, while I'm producing a little of everything plus focus on stone.
Since I got my plots at way cheaper prices, my ROI is higher when considering the huge difference in LPE. I will slowly go towards a higher usage of my plots, buy cards here and there, and try to get to at least two maxed plots by the end of the year (1 grain, 1 stone). With that, I should get above the 10% yROI (if stone prices stay similar).
What am I doing wrong?
As mentioned, LPE and LCE focus only on PP and production, while I focus on $$$ as well. The best way to get a higher LPE is to use Alpha Legendary Gold foil cards - that will boost things up quite significantly. But the cheapest is at $3150 for 33,333 PP (around 10 cents per PP), so...
The best ratio is still Beta Rare cards with $7,05 cost per 1000 PP (including staked DEC). Next in line are Untamed Rare with $7,69/1000 PP.
How to get to an LPE of 25?
That means that you gain 25 DEC per hour per plot. In Stone, that would be 166 Stone/h. But you need grain, too, so that's 332 Stone/h. Gotta pay tax, so it's 369 Stone/h. That's 185.000 PP on that plot, 37.000 PP per working card. That's more or less a Alpha GF Legendary with the 10% Splinter-Bonus.
Other ways are to boost the production with totems and titles, but those are a bit expensive, too. At least for beginners.
Conclusion
Don't compare with the ones up there. Do your math, have a strategy for your own possibilities and stick to it. That will allow you to grow slowly, but steadily.
Also, keep the ROI in mind. LPE doesn't include that, and it's an important part. In 10 years, when we all are legacy players, that won't matter so much anymore. But for now, it does.
Here comes the math - you're allowed to skip.
It is indeed a great idea to calculate that, but I miss one part - the original cost. I know, that's kind of hard to calculate, and we should not look at this as an investment, but I just can't not do it. So, let's put it to the test on my land. First, my regular LPE (based on calculations coming later in this post). This is according to the formulas that @azircon provided in this post (click here).
3.89 DEC/h / 5 plots = 0,79 DEC per hour per plot - The higher this one is, the better. There is no gold standard, but I'll calculate the optimal case for small fish below.
Land Card Efficiency
31,777 PP / 3.89 DEC/h = 8169 - The lower this one, the better. Let's see in the simulation how far we can get it!
Plot Cost
I have 5 plots. Peakmonsters luckily saves all the data, so here's my asset history:
The one for 23 I later sold immediately for the same price, hence, only 5 plots left.
21 + 9 + 10 + 10 + 16 + 18.50 = $84,50
Yes, I got very, very lucky here, those prices are long gone. I swapped a couple with @thejedo, who secretly just wants to rule his whole tract in order to later subdue the whole region, but that's fine with me.
Cards Currently Employed
Again, Peakmonsters gives it all, I filtered for "On Land" and got this:
I'll use List Prices on this one. Most of those cards have gone up in value, so did the plots, so later I'll run a simulation as well to show a best case that you could follow, if you were to get into land.
With this, I'm sitting on $84.50 + $203.50 + $25 (Energy Crystals) = $313
That is not bad for 5 plots - of which none is running at 100% capacity. But I'm slowly building my workforce, one BCX after the other.
Let's make money aka DEC - Production
So, let's say DEC is at peg, that brings my investment (besides the hours of figuring things out) to 313,000 DEC.
As you can see here, I also threw in 66,384 DEC for Dark Energy, so I'm totaled at 379,500 DEC, roughly.
The per hour production in the picture is already without the choking and totally unfair taxes from the fat kings in the country.
Grain
Workers consume 0,01 grain per PP per hour. So, as I have a total of 31,777 PP, that makes 317.77 Grain/Hour. I have a slight surplus of 32.967 Grain/h, which equals 0,266 DEC/h at current prices.
Others
To keep things short, let me group them together:
14.191 Wood/h = 0.414 DEC/h
19.671 Stone/h = 2.967 DEC/h
0.838 Iron/h = 0.243 DEC/h
Total DEC per hour: 3.89
Per day: 93.36
Per 30 day month: 2800.8
Per 365 day year: 34,076.4
ROI: 34,076.4 / 379,500 = 8,9%
Simulation
Let's use my favorite case of starting to buy right now. You can read all about my latest calculations here: Just click and be redirected!
The prices for land have fallen a tiny bit, but let's say they're still the same, as are the card prices - it's always better to prepare for the worse case.
So, total investment: 1 grain plot, 1 stone plot, 9 max cards from beta, 2 energy crystals, 90,000 DEC staked = 465,000 DEC
Production: 39,6 Stone / hour = 5.973 DEC / hour
As explained in my first post, we can bump that up by buying 55 grain/h for 0.443 DEC/h. It is more efficient, so let's go for that instead.
49.5 Stone/h = 7.466 DEC/h - 0.443 DEC/h = 7.023 DEC/h
Production points: 55,000 PP
LPE and LCE Simulation
LPE: 7.023 DEC/h / 2 Plots = 3.501 DEC/h/Plot
LCE: 55,000 / 7.023 DEC/h = 7831 PP for 1 DEC/h
ROI per year: 7.023 x 24 x 395 / 510,000 = 12,1%
Thank you very much for reading, I hope you enjoyed it at least as much as I enjoyed writing :-D If you have any comments or feedback - please let me know! And don't forget to leave your own posts for me to curate. Thank you very much!
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Thanks for sharing! - @underlock
Great content!
Thank you very much for curating!
great insight into the smaller land holders, really enjoyed the math :)
!BBH
I'm glad you did! I enjoy that, too :-D But it seems that not too many do, they rather read the conclusion :-D
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You don’t need to be a whale. It is easy to have a high LPE with 5-10 plots. Get on with it :)
Thanks for the tag @beelzael! This will be a fun response. Let me just gather my thoughts and I'll provide my input.
And I agree with @azircon. You don't need to be a whale (I don't consider myself as one but I guess it depends on who's talking and how people see me lol) to have a high LPE.
It's a matter of organizing/prioritizing your cards and other assets (and budget if you're planning to add more) to make the most of what you have.
I didn't even plan on getting a good LPE! It just happened that way!
Well, as I showed - it's hard to get a really high LPE without the right cards. And to get the right cards, you need to have money (or be playing for a long time). That's why I did the simulation with Beta Rare RF, since those are currently the most efficient ones in PP/$ ratio - but they're not the best to get a high LPE. For that, one needs Alpha/Beta GF, and those cost quite a bit, which is a hassle when one is just starting out.
Even my simulation is a 500$ spending to get 2 plots running - for me, that is a lot :-D
Oh, and you made it into azirocns rich-list with almost 500 DEC/h - so you might to start considering yourself a whale :-D (that's a good thing! I'm not against whales, I'm just saying that the perspective from small fish is different, and it's more coherent to apply different metrics during different stages of the journey. Oh, and I like teasing Azircon with the whole whale thing.)
@thejedo is not a whale.
He is just smart and highly efficient :)
He has earned a seat at the top table.
What's the threshold for being a whale? I mean, he's no whale shark, but an orca maybe?
it is a statistical parameter....we have defined it at hive as follow:
At Staked SPS, we can define it as follows:
As per that definition, Land Plots are 150,000 total.
That does make @thejedo a whale :)
But people might feel whale to be too low.... then we can do this:
Wow this is so cool! Thank you for that! I'm a land dolphin! And and SPS Orca! I didn't know that existed. BUT if I may suggest to add one more category - the Purrgil. Stumbled upon it when I was searching for a whale which includes "jedo" in their scientific name. Of course, the algo brought me to Jedi Whales :-D And they're a lot bigger than regular whales, so...
I'd gladly accept the title lol! 😅
This is becoming bigger than a post :) but I think the land distribution might be like this
Well, the party is always in the kitchen, aka the comments :-D
That's a lot of Plankton out there. Good for baleen whales. I didn't know that so many people owned just 1 plot. Or is that the un-adjusted plankton of 0 plots? Still, many with just one plot or less.
Alrighty, here we go!
First of all, I love the cover photo! I hope Lily had a great time at the aquarium!
This message you have above is important. Not everyone is playing the same game as you.
With that said, and after rereading you post a few times, I think you have already figured it out. You fully understand what's going on. You've done the math. You've played out different scenarios. It's just a matter of how much more you are willing to invest into the land department and what you expect to get out of it.
Just understand the fact that some people got in earlier than we did so they have all these blinding Alpha GFs and there's nothing wrong with that. They held onto the cards because of their conviction and now they are being rewarded for it.
Also, other people/players devoted more time, attention, and effort into land early on and are now reaping some of the fruits of their labor.
Some guys were questioning my decisions last year why I was still buying land and land workers when I can just invest in Rebellion and play the game!
Now I can sit back and relax a bit and enjoy some passive income that I use to buy more plots AND, most recently, some Conclave Arcana cards!
In case you missed it, that post is HERE.
I guess the real question is, what is your goal with land and what are you doing about it? 😉
That's the correct question there! And also - what are your means? It's great that you found a way to make the most out of your money with Land. My idea of doing all these land calculations is to prepare beginners or smaller land owners like me for what's waiting for them, both good and bad. And comparing myself to the LPE and DEC/h of others, well, I don't think it's a good idea. I think it's better to calculate one's personal ROI and focus on that. From using money wisely, the LPE will eventually follow.
You need access to high PP cards - and those are expensive. If you're not a long-term player, getting those is quite the hassle. Hence, for small fish like me, it makes more sense to focus on ROI instead of LPE - that was my argument at least, I hope I was able to transmit that :-D
higher LPE = Higher ROI
Learn to check buy-sell channel. Lot of the good trades happens over the counter, not at the official market.
I can hook you up with an expert @xsuilx, if he check the tag. He is the king of over the counter p2p market. Even @bjangles recently bought a $700 card for $500 :)
Hm is that the hidden discord channel? I think I have access to that. And no, higher LPE does not necessarily mean higher ROI. ROI is still bound to prices on the market, what one can get for their money. For example, if I change my Simulation to GF instead of RF:
Beta Rare Gold foil. I pay $220 for a max, giving me 20,000 PP. That is 90 PP/$.
My buy-in would be: $2200 (10 max cards) + $50 Plots + $10 Cores + $100 Stake = $2360
Grain plot still feeds 4 workers, but 20,000 PP have to be fed (200 Grain/h or 1,979 DEC/h).
Stone production will be 200/h, minus 10% makes 180 Stone/h, which is 27,127 DEC/h, minus 1,979 = 25,148 DEC/h, 603,552 DEC/day, 220,296 DEC/year.
ROI: 220,296 / 2,360,000 = 9,3% per year (vs. 12,1% with Rare Beta RF)
BUT LPE = 25,148 / 2 = 12,574 (vs. 3.501 DEC/h/Plot with Rare Beta RF)
So, the yROI of my simulation goes down, but LPE goes up substantially. Hence, higher LPE does not equal higher yROI - that if I calculated somewhat correctly here :-D
No hidden discord channel that I'm aware of but the TPG discord does have a semi-active buy/sell/trade channel.
That said, I typically look for cards / prices on peakmonsters and if there's somethin I'm after, I'll hop into the in-game market to see if it's listed by someone I can reach out to directly to try to negotiate :)
That's a good tip, thank you! How do you usually negotiate? By historical value, saving fees, and so on?
Typically yea, c.) all of the above. Given that we're in the early days of CA, it's a good idea to kick the conversation off with an offer for trade instead, too :)
thank you!
also, I run a lot of plot like this
As Vugtis will say: "It is still some ROI"
Sure, it's better than leaving the plot idle.
The insights along with the maths seemed helpful.
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed the math - it's usually under-appreciated. To me personally, it's very important to understand what is going on.
Keep building
You are on the right track
Regards