Hive Success for Gamers!

And the Reference for the rest of us

Lately there have been multiple people who are writing about how to be successful at hive if you are a gamer, especially Splinterlands player, however same can be true for any games, as long as there is a community behind it. Today I am here to offer some suggestions. Mind you, there is no "silver bullet", and what works for someone, may not work for you, even if you put in the same effort.

However, here is the kicker; if you do not put in the effort, I can assure you that it will not work for you!

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We will start with this plot above. It is the plot of 518 Splinterlands account out of Top 1000 SPS stakeholders. Along X-axis, their hive HP, and along Y-axis, their staked SPS. Size of the circle represent their hive reputation, which is proportional to the votes they receive or their Author rewards. First thing off the bat, do you notice, that their circle size are bigger in general to the rest of the players which is all hugging the Y-axis? Yes, these people are different.

  • How did you arrive at these 518 people?
  • Which subset of these 518 people are different?
  • Why different?
  • How much different?

I will try and answer these in this post. Hopefully that will help you.

How did you arrive at these 518 people?

Quite simple. I was looking at the frequency distribution of Top 1000 SPS stakeholders. The Plot looks like this:

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Data is clipped at 130,039 staked SPS at position 1000. However, it is easy to see which two bins has the highest numbers of accounts. So I decided look into the details of those bins. In fact those two groups are more than half of the data.

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Here are the details of that group and its distribution at the finer scale.

So, answering the title question. This is the most common SPS stakeholder accounts.

Which subset of these 518 people are different?

Great question. All I have to do is the filter the data of this subset of 518 accounts to accounts with > 10K HP.

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Very easy. 27 accounts, and except exyle, who is long gone (I don't miss his gym selfies by the way), and who was an exploiter, everyone else demonstrate excellent KE! Hey, I told you so!

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Here is the plot of these 27 accounts, basically all with excellent KE. Ignoring exyle, which people at hive knows well, there is no outliers.

Now here is the other side.

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I want to focus on the good. So many names here who I have begged over the years to write and they have stepped up, davemccoy , beffeater to name a few who have been much more active at hive and that shows. Then there are other who have left mostly, I hope they might decide to come back. Then there are others, who can step up. If I change to log-scale they will be more visible.

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Lot of these players between 0.1 to 10 KE can step up their game any time and earn more hive from posting and engaging. I am here to help.

Why different?

My understanding is are the following:

  • Time: Lot of the older accounts knew about hive earning potential and used it
  • Tenacity: Only a small group of new accounts post regularly on hive
  • Quality: Only a rare few post quality content

Below is the chart of time when the account is created vs. author rewards, circle size is raw reputation:

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The chart above shows it all. The ones in the purple, you guys are missing out. You can easily 10X your respective HP, gain influence on chain, and develop a personal skill that you might be able to use for other things, if you post on hive. There is a missing opportunity here, and please consider using it.

How much different?

I can compare flauwy to deceth, both account created about the same time. Flauwy earned 24045 HP in total rewards while deceth earn 27 HP :). Yes difference can be 890X!!

I can also compared olaf.gui to mightly ueyuey (the legendary king of Silver). Olaf.gui earned 5689 HP in total rewards while ueyuey earned only 430 HP. Now Olaf posts a lot of spam, but there are worse people than Olaf. The difference is 13X!

Mind you these are spot checks and highly variable. The point is if you are not using hive you are missing out. While others the reaping the benefits, dare I say, at your potential expense? Maybe that is harsh, but others are definitely doing better and you are definitely missing out.

So what is the receipe for success at hive?

Well, my title is not a click-bait, but as I said before, that I do not have a silver bullet. I can suggest a few things that worked for me personally, but that doesn't mean it will work for you. That said, I will write a few bullets that you may find useful

  • Build a hive stake. Your stake is your voice and leverage
    • Earn it by regular posting
    • Save it by powering up your hive to HP
    • Buy it, either using fiat, or other crypto
  • If you have a 'meaningful' hive stake 10K HP or higher, you will see that you earn curation rewards by 'fairly' voting others
  • Vote manually with first 24 hours of a post
  • Do not vote your own posts/comments
  • Post regularly, but do not post more than once a day, only a very select few can succesfully do it, and likely you are not one
  • Don't post too much, or you will get burn-out, or worse, your post will look like farming, meaning you are posting 'just for rewards' and your post is not interesting to anyone
  • You can typically know if your post is interesting to people by looking at comments received. If you have received 0 to 5 comments, and if all of them are automated from curation programs, no-body is reading your post
  • Bring variety into your post. Daily battle posts are USELESS, 99% of the time. If you are doing it, it is just spam (99% of the time). Pack opening posts are USELESS. Giveaway posts are USELESS.
  • If you are creating art for Splinterlands, ask yourself, are people interested in them? Are you?
  • Don't self-promote your post too much, it doesn't help
  • Read and interacts in other's post, that helps. If you interact, chances are those people will visit your blog
  • Try to know people, and make yourself known to others
  • Be more than a username or IGN, be a person, a friend
  • Most of your peers do not have much HP either, if you have none
  • Please for the last time, don't make a post expecting to earn vote/money. Instead write your blog as a journal. Try developing a skill, if nothing else, writing skill

Finally, if you can't demonstrate any long term commitment for hive blockchain, you will NEVER get a vote from me. Believe me, I know how to find that :)

There is no if, but or coconut! :)



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Thanks for these helpful tips. Will work based on this recipe. Vonak!

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Those are some really good points at the end there. It's not something that comes easy, it takes a lot of work and dedication and a little bit of luck to be above average on HIVE. I'm glad it appears I am doing some things right!

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Yes, it is a lot of time and effort.

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still trying to get into the swing this year of working hard and posting more. been a bit thin this week, have a couple of drafts on the way and in lieu of posting i got the power up badge yesterday. i figured that was as good as a post.

I got distracted yesterday from post writing as i was trying to get my "grain ducks" in a row over in my splinterlands lands. Peeps are getting excited!

thanks for the stats, as i said last post its really interesting stuff.

BLINGIT

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there is no rush, getting into your own pace is the best.

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Thanks, yes indeed i would rather post something more quality that a "shitpost" just to say i posted 8 times this month rather than 4.
BLINGIT

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Great advice there, and I am still learning, so thank you. Half a year ago or a bit more I didn't even know that it is not OK to upvote your own comments, then I learned it was a no no. I did hear that it is OK to upvote your own posts if you put a lot of effort into it. I guess that is also not really OK?

There is a lot to learn about Hive, but I actually think competition here is not as tough as on more mainstream content creation sites.

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I guess that is also not really OK?

If you ask me, its a no. I will tell you why. My 100% vote is about $10. Imagine me posting two times a day, spam, and upvoting my post at 100%. That is $140/week for writing shitpost. Would you like that?

The entire reward pool is common, if I take additional $140/week from the reward pool that is $140/week less for the rest of you.

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Makes sense, I was rarely doing it and will stop now.

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"Finally, if you can't demonstrate any long term commitment for hive blockchain" Long term mindset.

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These are insightful guides. I'm working towards building my Hive/HP/HBD as well as my SPS stake this year. Saving this post too for friends I'll onboard on Hive.

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I am glad you are finding this valuable.

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Vote manually with first 24 hours of a post

I wish one day this rule will be changed... I see many good posts not getting proper votes because people find them late, and many of those people cling to the mind set of having "good APR" on their vote.

Sometimes I think our votes should genuinely represent our appreciation, gratitude, and support. APR is just ruining it.

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I vote post beyond 24 hours too. The difference is minor.

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Interesting tips. I was aiming for 1-2 posts a day. But if that is too much I will try to reduce my posts to 1 a day.

By the way maybe you know why I often get this error message when I try to upload screenshots to peakd?
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I tried deleting my passwords from keychain and then entering them again. I tried changing nodes. For a moment I thought that I only get that error when uploading from my pc so I just have to upload them to internet first but that did not work either. Once I get that error message the problem fixes itself after a few hours. It is annoying because I normally have a lot of gaming screenshots to upload.

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I sometimes use a image hosting service like https://www.imghippo.com/

Especially from work I get the same error you are talking about. Then I just upload the images to this image hosting service, and paste the direct link on the post and it works like a charm.

It is free. Give it a try. There are others too.

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Awesome post as usual, thanks for the write-up AZ. As you saw, I'm ramping up my interest in Hive recently, so I've been eating up every post you write. Also, next time you do a data pull, you'll see that I've moved a little ;)

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Yes, I checked :) Wise decision I say and I am thankful personally.

I think you will see the benefit. I want to highlight this for everyone else to see.

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Can we hard-code your recipe for success into Hive's code? 🤣

Even if they are quite a lot, I agree with all your points... and I do not fully agree often with what people think/do/write.

Be more than a username or IGN, be a person, a friend

To some extent, this is imho the most valuable, and often underrated, suggestion: lots of people engage in a way that seems artificial, like they are just doing it to get some attention. You can "feel" from what they write that they didn't put down their opinion or their thoughts, but just what they supposed you would like to read. It's far better to engage a bit less but without being "fake": be you and find like-minded people. That's how you can build strong relationships and grow faster and stronger on Hive.

Do not vote your own posts/comments

This should really be hard-coded into Hive: you can't be the judge of yourself. Let others choose if your effort are worth something and how much.

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Can we hard-code your recipe for success into Hive's code?

LOL. No, as this is my opinion and to me it makes sense. Others might disagree and call it restrictive :) As you said, they are a lot. But I have personally done all these and it helped me immensely.

lots of people engage in a way that seems artificial

I agree. Many here on chain met me in person, and I can assure you, I talk very similarly in real life. Nothing that I personally put out here is fake and it is 100% my feeling at that time.

Do not vote your own posts/comments

I tried to implement this for a while @gtg might remember. Well he is the pilot who is driving this starship. Lobby to him and maybe someday you might be able to convince him.

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I can assure you, I talk very similarly in real life.

You always go straight to the point, even if some may find that rude, so I have no doubts about that.

Lobby to him

Not much I can do there, but at least I support him as a witness since I came here on Hive: he can't remember me, but when I was a newbie I asked a question on hive.blog chat and he kindly answered me. I then checked who that user was and I found that he was a long-time Hiver with a huge stake... and I was like "if a veteran with such stake finds the time to answer a question asked by someone with 10 HP - and surely by other thousands of users before him - well, he clearly cares a lot about this chain, so the least I can do is to give him my vote".

And the same applies to you: you are putting effort and time in gathering data to prove your opinion and your vision on how to make Hive (and Splinterlands, also) a better and healthier place. You could have been ripping rewards and get the most out of this chain. Instead you've chosen to be an example and use your time and influence to help others understand how they can do better on Hive and how they can grow and improve while helping the chain thrive. I respect that. And that's why I'm happy to use half an hour to compose a comment (yeah, I'm a bit slow when I have to "think" and write in english 🤣) to show you that I really read and reflect on your post.

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Again, much appreciated.

Maybe you can use one of the many translate tools? Then edit maybe, if they are not satisfactory.

What is your native language? By the way, I am not a native English speaker either.

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I don't use a translator when I write comments because I use it as an exercise to improve my ability in writing in english: nowadays online translators do a very good job, but for that reason they don't push you to learn more... they do all the job and they do it quite well, so you don't feel the "urge" to improve. Hence why I prefer to be slow but make some practice :)

What is your native language

Italian! :)

I am not a native English speaker either

You write so well I thought you were a native English speaker 😅

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I use it as an exercise to improve my ability

I did the same :)

I am originally from Calcutta, India, but now I live in Houston, TX for many years

Going to Venice for spring break, do not ask me why?!

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Going to Venice for spring break, do not ask me why?!

I guess the "Carnevale di Venezia" might be involved? 🤣

I've been to Venice 2 or 3 times and it's a beautiful city: I like it more than Rome... and I must admit that it might be even better than Florence! Even if Florence has obviously my heart ahahah but Venice has a unique charm that you can't find anywhere else (at least in Italy).

I am originally from Calcutta, India

I've never been to India, but it's one of those place where I wish to go one day, not lastly because Indian is one my two favourite exotic cuisine. I also love temples and history, and India has plenty of both :)

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We, our family, absolutely adore Italy. I like to stay in each main city for a week! But I have to retire from work before I can do that!

My older daughter been to Florence last year, I haven't been. I want to go obviously but won't happen on this trip

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Hope she enjoyed her time here in Florence! And hope you can get here too sooner than later :) and I also suggest you to visit a bit of Tuscany when you'll come here, as Tuscan countryside is lovely and there's plenty of small medieval towns which are very very enjoyable to visit (and they are far less touristic than the major cities).

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Do not vote your own posts/comments

I think it should be the other way around and it was that way before. Only because it wasn't optimal to vote right away it's not hardcoded to self-vote automatically. HP should matter, also for authors.
Of course regular process of evaluating content is in place, so if someone is shitposting daily, it will end up with zeroed rewards sooner or later.
Also think about it - if such shitposter will be forced to vote every time they post, then it will also kill their curation rewards (as no voting power will be left for those)

Thank you for your vote, I still do care, probably even more ;-) just overwhelmed with tasks to be done :-D

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Never thought about that, and it's quite a different but interesting point of view: self-vote as a way to deter shitposters - at least those with a medium to large stake. This shows that for (almost) everything there's always another side of the medal that should be considered!

Even if I still see a possible issue in those cases where someone doesn't strictly shitpost but still publishes low effort - and very often low quality - posts that can't be classified as shitpost, but surely doesn't deserve many upvotes. And seeing the author throwing their vote in is something that, ihmo, is discouraging for new users, because they struggle to get some attention and at the same time see people - who didn't put any effort in what they did - self-voting themselves, while - maybe - getting way more upvotes than they deserved... like those weren't already more than enough to reward their small effort.

End of the rant 🤣

I still do care, probably even more ;-) just overwhelmed with tasks to be done :-D

I know, and my vote is always there! :)

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I could never play game, but does Splinterlands help HIVE ecosystem ? I have heard they taking benefits from multiple proposals ?

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Yes they do. Over the years SL created 1M accounts, not all stayed obviously. SL also bought 1M plus hive and kept it power up and also 150K HBD. SL currently own total of nearly 3M hive collectively.

No, not multiple proposals but only one so far.

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Hmm, gaming is definitely one of the major attraction here.

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Thanks for the mention! I really appreciate the encouragement. So, you're wondering why I don’t own 10KHP? Challenge accepted! Your insights have given me a fresh perspective on the ecosystem (and @seattlea's post was a real eye-opener). I’m happy to shift some focus from battles to content creation—after all, time is limited! #Vonak

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You are welcome. More stake you have more say you will have in this ecosystem. As a community if we increase our cumulative stake, we will earn more respect.

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Not powering down, HP teaches me how to be a HODLer, and it exceeds any other trick for improving finances in crypto.

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Excelente @azircon no entidi lo de los juegos? Se puede jugar aquí?bueno yo estoy optimista queriendo aprender todo sobre esta plataforma de hive, y con pocas publicaciones de mi día a día ya me estoy adaptando a escribir😎 Bendiciones 🙏

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"Vote manually with first 24 hours of a post"

What does this means? following a voting trail is bad?

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No it’s not.

But if you do vote manually it is better to vote within 24 hrs

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oh, I see. Cool. Thanks for the tip.-

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Awesome post as usual . I am ramping up interest in Hive recently

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Just found this post! Thanks for the motivation, AZ! I've been enjoying my HIVE journey so far, glad you talked it up in discord so much and got me to join the party! Psi

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